SFR 114: Hacking The Live Webinar Funnel… – Stephen Larsen

SFR 114: Hacking The Live Webinar Funnel…

Feb 21st, 2018 anchorwave


I’m tripling how often I deliver my webinar. BUT, sometimes I can’t be there to do it live, so…


Hey, what’s going on everyone. This is Steve Larsen, and you’re listening to Sales Funnel Radio.

Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio where you’ll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today’s best internet sales funnels. And now, here’s your host, Steve Larsen.

So I was just outside. We’ve been shipping just a whole bunch of stuff into the house, stuff for our garage, stuff for … just lots of different stuff. And a lot of the stuff has come on big pallets and things like that. We’ve been shipping a lot of cool stuff in here. It’s been fun. But funny enough, we’ve just had this stack of boxes and pallets and all this stuff all over the place and so we’ve been wondering what to do with it.

There’s no one who comes out and says, “Hey, you’ve got a whole bunch of pallets you’ve got to get rid of?” You know what I mean? So it’s funny, for Valentine’s Day, my wife got me an ax, which is kind of fun, actually.

So I’ve been outside for the last three hours just bashing apart and burning these pallets, and it’s been a whole lot of fun. It’s totally manly. Hey, this last week has been kind of interesting with my webinar.

A lot of sales at first, kind of trickled down, and then it really slowed down quite a bit, and I know … I figured out why. I think I figured out why. I think it’s because … So here’s the numbers, right. I still have a 56 percent opt in rate on my first page. 56 percent. It’s awesome. It’s really, really … I mean super, super cool. I’ll get 150 to 200 people registering from my webinar each week. But there’s only like a 7 to 10 percent show up rate.

Of the people who show up, I still end up usually closing anywhere from 10 to 20 percent, which is an awesome close rate for a webinar. But the actual show up rate is so low that the last little bit here hasn’t been that many sales. I’m like, okay, what’s the problem? And I know there’s probably some guru or whatever’s out there who’s like, “Why would you ever share these numbers? Don’t make yourself look bad.” What I’m trying to help you understand and to know and show and see, is that my reaction to what the market is telling me is what is key right here.

And so I was … I’m not going to lie, I was super frustrated, like, what the heck’s going on? C’mon. I know the product’s freaking awesome.

There’s no one else selling anything that’s like this. I know it’s incredible. I’ve had amazing success stories with it. People are doing amazing things with it. Like, ah. It’s been so cool. So I’m like, okay. But that just goes to show what I keep saying to all these people too. Stop focusing and freaking out so much about the product. Start focusing and be obsessive over the sales message and the product will take care of itself.

You go and you make something awesome. And it should still be awesome, but you know what I mean? Focus on that second…

Anyway, so I was boxing Russell, and I was like, “Dude, I don’t know what the heck’s going on. It’s nerve-wracking doing one webinar per week, and … ” Follow me on this okay? There’s something very specific I want to tell you guys on this webinar because I’m very excited you guys. I think I hacked out the way cook funnels works a little bit. It’s so cool.

So anyway, I was boxing Russell and I was like, dude, what’s going on. What do you think’s happening? What do you … ” And he was making fun of me because I’m still putting a dollar in on ads and I’ll get like $4 back out. And he was like, “I’m Stephen. I only 4Xed my money.” And I was like okay, “Okay, I get it.” And it’s still that kind of thing. But it’s like the numbers are tiny. I was like, “How do I scale this thing up so that my show up rate’s higher?”

And he was like, “Yeah, my show up rate …” He usually gets a 25% show up rate. And I was like, “I’m floating around anywhere from 7% down to … up to 15%. It’s still kind of low. You know?” So that’s the number I’m working on. And so, all these little things that I’ve been doing to my webinar to get it to increase.
Anyways, I was telling him about it.

webinarAnd I go, “Dude, I can’t handle … It’s my sole income. You know what I mean?” I’m putting my money where my mouth is and this is my sole income. And we’re doing totally fine, by the way. It made more money last month than I’ve had in my bank account ever. We’re doing great but still, the consistency of it is part of the sexiness of it. You know what I mean? And so, I was like, “What’s wrong? How can I react to what the market is telling me?”

So I was telling him all this and was like, “Once per week is rough because I’m eating what I kill. You know?” And he goes, “Well, what if you just do it twice a week?” I was like, “Huh.” Why have I never thought about that? So I was like, “Okay.’ So I … A few nights later, I was like, “Okay, I got to think through this model.” How do I from a technical standpoint run this thing in a way so that when group one is going through my replay sequence, they’re not also seeing the Facebook ads that I’m running for group two that week. Right?

And so, I was sitting there and I don’t know what it is about Dubstep guys but I was putting my headphones on and it always gets me in the creative zone just a little bit. I don’t know. But maybe that weird but whatever. Different kinds of music do affect me differently and my creative zen, you know what I mean? So I was sitting there and actually I put my headphones on and I started just pacing around my office here. And this is how I solve problems. I don’t know if anyone knows … I’ve never really told you guys this.

That is how I solve problems. And I solved … What I will do, and one of the commonalities of people I see who don’t solve problems in their life is they see that there’s a problem and then rather than accept the fact that there’s a problem and they don’t know the answer, they just act like it’s not there and move on and … Or they’ll say, “I can’t move on because it’s here.” And they don’t look to themselves and their own noggin to try and figure it out.

I was listening to this really cool interview … it wasn’t an interview, it was a speech. I don’t know who it was. It was some guy on the internet speaking in front of a ton of people. And he said some things that were really profound and he was going through some interesting numbers that they were finding. And what they figured out was that successful people will solve 80% of the problems the first time that they hear them. I think I was saying that right. Meaning they solve literally almost every single problem. They make a decision. Solve isn’t the right word. They make a decision. There we go. That’s what it was.

They make a decision 80% of the time. Right? So something comes to them and they’re like, “Hey I’ve got this thing. Go make a choice on it, Steven. Go make a choice.” 80% of the time, they make a decision right then. And that’s what he was teaching. He was trying to show, look, successful people don’t take forever to make a decision. They just make a decision and they move forward. And they just get crap done and they know … They make the decision as best they can with the information they have right there with the understanding that it could be wrong.

But they’re so good at making decisions on a fast basis that their chances of actually being successful are so much higher and it’s one of the reasons they are successful is because they make decisions very, very quickly.

And so, I had that in my mind and I was walking around. And I love getting into the zone, guys. It is one of my favorite things to do ever. I was going to go to sleep. It was late at night but for whatever reason … It was late at night and I was in the zen state and the creativity … I don’t really control when those moments happen. I just follow them when they do. And so I stayed up. I had the music on.

I was pacing around and I had this … that kind of lesson in my head of hey look, I’ve got to make decisions 80% of the time the very first time I have to make … that I need to be making it. I hope that makes sense what I’m saying with that.
But when you have a decision to make, 80% of the time you should make a decision the very first time you hear about and you make it on the spot. And so anyways, I was pacing around and I was like, “Okay, this is … gosh, how do I solve this? How do I solve this?” And what I do mentally, guys, is I try and look for, I think of them as threads. And I start looking around, I closed my eyes. And I usually start pacing around in my office kind of fast.

And it gets a little bit detrimental sometimes with my eyes closed but I do. And I’ll have music going and it’s loud and I’m trying to find a thread. That’s how I think of it. I’m looking for a thread. And I think of it like there’s all these threads, these possible solutions to the thing I’m looking for. I don’t really know what it is. And I don’t really know that it’s going to be the solution yet.

But what I do is I start thinking through in my head … I don’t know if this is weird but this is how I think about it. This is what I do. And what I do those is I start thinking through all these threads and I grab a thread that’s there that exists and I start following it. That’s how I think of it. I think of it as I’m going hand over hand following this thread. And I don’t know what’s on the other end of it. I love those states because what always ends up happening is the first thing I have to do is I have to draw the end of the thread.

And so, that’s what I did is I came over and I was like, I think I know how to solve this problem. I think I know how to solve this problem. I don’t know how it’s totally done yet but I know enough that I could start drawing. And so, I go to my whiteboard. And that’s always the next step that I always go through. I go to my whiteboard and I start drawing the end of the thread, whatever it is that I believe will lead to the solution.

And it was a very interesting thing that happened. And I started drawing it. I started drawing it and I put the marker back down and I kind of paced around for a little while and I was like, okay, but what’s the next step after that? What is it? What is it? And I started walking around and usually I’m pacing kind of quick.

And funny enough, it wasn’t the right solution but another one took its place and I followed that one and that’s how I solved it…

Here’s what I was trying to figure out. And I hope that makes sense what I’m saying is like, I’ve seen that most entrepreneurs out there do this. Certainly, Russell does. Certainly most of the ultra-successful people that I’ve seen or been around or gotten to work with or just gleaned info from, most of them, they don’t always know what the outcome’s going to be, they just know that the beginning’s real good and if they can sprint at it hard enough, make as many decisions on a fast basis as they can, usually it’ll be shown to them the kind of thing they need to be doing.

So here’s what I was figuring out though. So Russell’s like, “Hey, do two webinars a week.” And I was like, “Well, what’s better than two webinars a week? Three webinars a week.” And I was like, Cool.” So, I am doing starting this Tuesday, I’m doing my webinar live three times a week. Okay? It’s very aggressive but there’s a lot of reasons why I’m doing it that way.

So I’m doing it literally Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. And what I’ve done is I figured out a model because usually the model that we teach at Click Funnels, that I teach Two Coaching and Secrets of Master Guide, even in Expert Secrets and all the different trainings. The webinars are in this one per week model where Monday through Thursday you’re promoting, Thursday do the webinar, and Friday through Sunday you do your replay sequence.

I was like, okay, but how do I squish into this thing three webinars a week without overlapping. And so what I did was I figured out how to do it. And I figured out this model. Which is super cool because it still feels like an isolated event to the people who in the middle of it. They don’t know that there are these other webinars that are going on also. And what’s cool about that is it lets me perfect the message at a faster pace, right? Brandon and Katelyn Pullman, I think they did their webinar thirty some times before they actually automated it.

webinarRussell did his 60 or 70 before he automated it, right?

I’m trying to get to that number. I’m trying to get to those volumes of having done it so I know the script so well, so well. And I know what the issues are. I know that the good, the bad, the ugly. I know what’s converting well. I know the stories that work well.

I know the stories that are not good to tell. You know what I mean? I’m trying to figure out what that is but I’m trying to run at it because I feel like you can’t skirt that process. You know what I mean? There’s shortcuts. There certainly are shortcuts. There really are secrets. There really are hacks. But some stuff you just can’t shortcut.

And so rather than me trying to shortcut it and go straight to an automated webinar, I’m actually trying to just marry the process. I’m looking at it like a sport, okay? This is mat time. This is gym time. This is me just spending time in my craft. And so, that’s what I’ve been doing. And I just figured out, I’m about to build it right now. I just figured out how to do the entire thing. And I was checking with my amazing ads lady and she’s fantastic and she’s like, “Yeah, that could totally work.”

And so, I will probably do some kind of training on it in the future here because it’s super powerful. So as I was looking at it, it was like three times a week. I am zapped from a single webinar. The way I do them with such high energy. If you want to check it out guys I would love to have you one it.

It’s if you guys want to. But it’s been really, really cool. And I convert really well on the webinar. And I get an amazing opt in rate. The one thing I’m tweaking right now, and I know exactly what I’m going to do. And I’ll tell you guys about it in the future which probably means next week. Because I think I figured out how to solve my problem, my show up rate problem. And I got some just awesome stuff down that’s coming. Oh my gosh. It’s cutting edge. There’s only two other people on earth that have what I’m about to go put out and I’m really excited about it.

Anyway, it’s super cutting edge but I’ll tell you guys about it in the future. How’s that for salting the oats, right? Anyway, so what I did though was I figured out how to do this and run this thing in a way. And I was like, three webinars in a week, we got Funnel Hacking Live coming up. I’m speaking at an event. There’s 2,500 people at it. I’m super excited about it. I just got asked. It’s going to be so cool. It’s the beginning of March. I’m going to go to Grant Cardone’s 10X event.
Anyway, so there’s life.

What do I do when I can’t do one of these webinars? Three a week? That’s a lot…

webinarSo what I did was I figured out that in those scenarios where I physically cannot do the webinar, I will automate it. And I will deliver an automated version of the webinar. And so what I’ve been doing and going through and figuring out is how in a single click to turn my entire funnel from a live webinar funnel into an automated funnel.

So for that one time … So Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, right? Let’s say Thursday, I’m at an event and I can’t do it. Well, for that group, that scenario, I will run an automated webinar with a single click and switch the entire funnel from an automated funnel … from a live one to an automated one. And then in a click, turn it all back.

That’s what I figured out that night. Thank you Dubstep and pacing around and following threads in my noggin. That’s what I figured out. And at some point, I’ll probably do some cool trainings. I want to show you guys this stuff. It’s really ninja. I don’t think that there’s a way you can sidestep having to do it live over and over and over again. I even asked Russell, I was like, “Dude, maybe I should just automate it.” And he started laughing and he’s like, “I’m not going to let you off the hook that easy dude. You keep doing it live.” And I was like, “Gosh dang it. Just let me automate this thing.” Oh man.

Anyway, I’ve been pumped about it and I’m trying to marry the process and keep to what works. You know what I mean? When I was in basic training, I shot really, really well with my M16, a shot expert. I shot so well that it was only me and another guy out of 200 that actually won a phone call home which was awesome. And what I was doing though is I was marrying the process.
And they would teach us … There’s a lot to shooting, by the way.

And I love it. Shooting’s tons of fun. And so, there’s all these different things they teach us. And one of the things they’d have us do is they’d have us lay down, obviously on the prone, but on concrete. And we’d lay in the prone and hold our M16 and then we’d just start smacking our elbows on the ground. And the reason why is it would toughen the elbows and we could hold steadier for a long time. We’d literally be trying to bruise our elbows.

And we’d take our elbows and we’d just start smacking them on the floor. Sounds kind of crazy but it worked…

So I would be in the barracks when everyone’s hanging out and I’d be in the prone smacking my elbows on the ground. I’d be putting canteens on the very end of my barrel, full ones, and try to hold it as steady as possible for 30 minutes. We’d put dimes on the end of the barrel and hold it as steady as possible and do an entire cycle meaning I would charge the weapon, fire it, and try and hold the dime at the very end of the barrel and keep it that steady so it wouldn’t fall off during the entire cycle.

And so, my body moves. I charge the weapon … I put a round it. Nothing in, a blank or whatever, and I’d fire and then try and not have that dime fall off.
And I married the process, guys. There’s no short cutting certain things in this business, in this life. And rather than trying to fight it, marry it. And you stay the course and that’s what I’m … And I always talk about that. I do it too. I’m still reminding myself, okay, don’t seek a shortcut, Stephen, just seek to be the best in this process.

And so I’m trying to do that. That’s, as far as documenting the journey, that’s what I’m doing right now…

So anyway, been a ton of fun and that’s what I’m doing. So, I am literally right now I’m about to go and build an automated version of the webinar for those scenarios when I can’t do it the third time that week. You know what I mean? But I’ll flip it right back out. I don’t want to … I’m not ready to automate the thing yet. I don’t want to yet. I’m not quite dreaming about the slides yet. When I start dreaming about it, that’s when I know that it’s really a part of my subconscious but I’m not doing it. It sounds stupid but it’s true. Okay?

I’ve had dreams in the editor. I’ve built whole funnels in my sleep. And brainstormed headlines, okay? There’s a level of obsession that you’ve got to have with this stuff and so anyways.

All righty. So, that’s been it and that’s what I’m excited about. And that’s what I’m literally about to go do right now. So I’m going to shut this thing off and got ClickFunnels up right here, got my two monitors. And I’m looking at my little map that I drew that night. And sometime, I’ll make a cool map out of it and I’ll probably do some training on it and toss that out there.

But anyway, it’s been a lot of fun. It’s been … I’m just trying to show you guys the process. Like okay, when the funnel does well, and it did well for a while, but there’s either ad fatigue going on which I don’t think that’s what it is at all. There’s this or that but as I look at the numbers, the numbers are telling me a story. And the story is you’ve got to talk … You’ve got to increase your show up rate.

So I’m just … I know what that plan is. I’ll tell you guys what it is in a little bit here. I think it’s going to work really, really well. I’ll tell you about it in a little bit.
But the second thing I’m doing is just increasing the frequency. So just increasing the show up rate, increasing the frequency of me actually doing the webinar. And I think that’s the next step so that’s where I’m following it. And that’s where that thread goes.

Sales Funnel RadioAnyway guys, thank so much, appreciate it. And thanks for being a listener. It means a lot. We just barely passed 100,000 downloads with this thing as you guys know and I’m pumped. Thanks guys.

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